Michelin Pilot Super Sport vs Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta — Compared

“I'm in rainy Seattle as well, and I find max performance summer rated tires better overall in rain than max performance all season rated tires. Not in all cases, but typically you are giving up some wet and dry traction for that snow rating. So I would recommend Michelin Pilot Sport 4S or Continental Extremecontact Sport 02 as two good examples of wet weather tires. On my E39 540 M-Sport daily driver, I run 17" staggered Continental Extremecontact Sport 02 for several years now, after running two sets of Conti DWS, then two sets of Michelin Pilot Sport Allseason 4 (or the predecessor to them). On my 2018 M550iX I am running oem Michelin Pilot Super Sport. If you must run all season, get the Michelin as they at least still have very good dry traction grip and handling traits.”

“As someone who lapped the car until I destroyed the OEM tires, and then lapped a set of PSS until I destroyed those too. The PSS are stickier than stock for sure, but they arent really sticky when it comes to tires for the track. They overheat and get greasy if you drive them hard, and they will slip at just slightly higher speeds. TL;DR: they are better than stock, but they arent a track sticky tire by any means so tail happy is still a thing.”

“Damn. 295s on Style 359Ms? That's pushing it a bit, isn't it? I so desperately wish Michelin would make a 285/30 PSS. I'm running 275/35s now, and while I like the extra rubber on the road, I don't like the increased sidewall height over the OEM 265/35.”

“I just had a set of Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta put on. Initial thoughts... I got them in 275/40/20 for the fronts and 315/35/20 for the rears. They fit the wheels perfectly. I immediately noticed a much softer ride. Sport Mode now feels like Tour Mode, maybe even softer. I DD my ZL1 so cold weather performance is very important. Temps were near 40°F and they stayed quite grippy. This is a huge improvement over the stock Goodyear's. Initial turn in response is good. I had the opportunity to push them on an off ramp and they felt a little mushy when pushed and didn't seem to want to exceed .75g I had a set of these on a previous car (2004 ZO6) and expect great wet weather performance. I will update this post once I get some more miles on them.”

“Quote: Originally Posted by Untertürkheim Sorry, but I must disagree. I found these tires to be very bad in the rain, I ended up replacing them very early for that reason alone. That's odd. The Ultrac Sessanta? The Vreds were much better than the Conti 2 I had on my Bimmer. I live in LA, but in Pacific Palisades where we get dumps of rain often in the winter. No hydroplaning, great feeling of stability. On other forums, the Vreds are normally considered good in the wet. btw, there are 20 pages about this tire on the Corvette forum here: Here's just one quote on that long thread: "As for the RAIN.. They are insane on the rain.. no slipping, or gliding, only traction" And another: "Drove through a monsoon in Redding, CA on the way down and no hydroplaining and my buddy following me said the water seeemd to come out behind the car and not spread sideways as you normally see." I had the same experience. So, maybe they just don't work well on a MB(??)”

“Originally Posted by CBR.worm I ran a couple set of the Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta tires, they were great - super sticky wet and dry and smooth. Unfortunately, they stopped making them in my size a few years ago. I was very happy with them. I know they are totally different than what you are looking at, but there isn't a lot of info out there (here in the US) about the brand. Is your tire size 235/45-18? They don't make the Sessanta in any size anymore! It is an older, now discontinued line. Vredestein does offer both the Ultrac Satin and Ultrac Vorti in your size 235/45-18”